1st Oil Change - Wait for Maintenance Minder or do it before?

[mmm666]

I will run atleast 5,000 miles with the factory oil. If you are DIY, do it at 5k or whatever you like.

Mobil 1 $27, plus $6 filter. not bad.

[Trisgo]

Please don't tar and feather me if this is a stupid question (I just got my 2005 Pilot recently). When that maintance reminder comes on, how do you know what code it is? Aside for the maintance schedual in the manual, is there another way to know what set it off (sort of like how you get the code for a check engine light)?

[road2cycle]

I also have a 2005 Pilot and the maintenance minder light basically means look in the owners manual to determine what service is due. I think 2006 was the first year for the Pilot where they implemented the updated maintenance codes.

[humanoid]

The MM for the 2005 and below is strictly based on mileage. It can't tell you what's needed so just keep track of what was did and what mileage.

[Trisgo]

bummer, that new MM sound really nice.

[whizmo]

Originally Posted by Trisgo

bummer, that new MM sound really nice.

Generally it is, but there are a lot of folks who don't trust it and do things the old fashioned way.

- Mark

[RinconVTR]

Originally Posted by whizmo

For all practical purposes, engine break-in is 90% completed by 50 miles and 99% completed by 1K.

- Mark

Got documentation? Cause I believe that is highly unlikely.

I think I would say there isn't much to "break in" today. Not that everything is 100% seated and wear patterns are established by 1k miles. That's not possible.

Trust the MM.

[Armystrong]

Alright I hate to do this but I have too. Being an Ole Fashion DIYer, performing all maintenance on my Pilot, when I change the oil for the First Time in my new 2013 do I reset the MM? I WILL do the oil change, oil filter, VCM fluid, and drain and fill of the transmission fluid (3.6 qts). Besides my normal write ups in the service manual what do I do with the MM....anything?

For what its worth, I have always bought transmission fluid when buying Mobil1 Synthetic oil fluid....I do the oil change and trans drain and fill every 6-7K miles. Overkill....yeah yeah yeah but I have NEVER had any transmission problems with an vehicle!

[RSQ Pilot]

Originally Posted by Armystrong

Alright I hate to do this but I have too. Being an Ole Fashion DIYer, performing all maintenance on my Pilot, when I change the oil for the First Time in my new 2013 do I reset the MM? I WILL do the oil change, oil filter, VCM fluid, and drain and fill of the transmission fluid (3.6 qts). Besides my normal write ups in the service manual what do I do with the MM....anything?

For what its worth, I have always bought transmission fluid when buying Mobil1 Synthetic oil fluid....I do the oil change and trans drain and fill every 6-7K miles. Overkill....yeah yeah yeah but I have NEVER had any transmission problems with an vehicle!

Note quite sure what you are asking about MM reset ...

If you change oil every 6K-7K miles the OLM may not hit the 15% and since the MM bunches sub-codes in conjunction with the OLM A/B codes and you may not see what is due.
MM will show what codes and subcodes are due when the Oil Life Monitor (OLM) part counts down from 100% to 15% and lights up the service codes. If you want to check what is due before the OLM lights up you can by activating the MM code screen as shown in the OM -Maintenance Minder section.
If you due service ahead of schedule just validate what codes and sub-codes are due, document your service done and then reset the all codes and subcodes via the OLM reset. That's what works for me.

[whizmo]

Originally Posted by RinconVTR

Got documentation?

Nope.

I think I would say there isn't much to "break in" today. Not that everything is 100% seated and wear patterns are established by 1k miles. That's not possible.

And neither do you; let's call it even.

- Mark

[RinconVTR]

Originally Posted by whizmo

Nope.



And neither do you; let's call it even.

- Mark

Really, you want to play that game eh?

#1, Look at your owners maual.
#2, Honda owners link documentaion. See copy/past below.



Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?

	Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural" wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing process.
	American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual, based on your specific driving conditions.

[whizmo]

Originally Posted by RinconVTR

Really, you want to play that game eh?

#1, Look at your owners maual.
#2, Honda owners link documentaion. See copy/past below.



Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?

Yes, if you believe the OM is gospel, then you can say that Honda says you have to go out to 7500-mile to complete the break-in. But I could also go this document though and show you instance after instance where what Honda says in this manual isn't based on engineering analysis, but instead on simply keeping things as simple as possible and covering their ass for any possible warranty dispute. OM's are not engineering documents! They're written by marketing and the bean counters.

I could also show you reference after reference that says that the vast majority of engine break-in is completed in very short mileage intervals with a new engine, consistent with the non-linear/exponential nature of new engine wear patterns. And I could show you references that confirm that Honda's special "break in oil" tests out to be off-the-shelf motor oil. I'm not going to spend the time to do this because it is not worth my time to "win" this argument.

What neither of us have is a controlled study with a statistically significant body of data where engines have been disassembled and examined during the break-in period that quantifies whether at 100 miles an engine is 5%, 50%, 90%, or 99% broken in. That's really want you're arguing about - that my numbers, which I readily admit are guesstimates and judgement calls, are likely reasonable or not. (And I never said BTW, that break-in is totally complete at 1K miles.... 99% does not equal 100%.) You think they're off, I guess, which is fine, but as I said before, neither of us have any good data.

IOW, this is a stupid argument. If you want to continue it, be my guest but I'm done.

- Mark

[RinconVTR]

Originally Posted by whizmo

IOW, this is a stupid argument. If you want to continue it, be my guest but I'm done.

- Mark

I'm not arguing anything. I answered your call out by providing documentation, which you failed to do.

In the end, to each their own on these subject matters.