Maintenance minder

[speedlever]

Here's one of the best explanations I've seen of the MM system. No, I still don't like the MM as I prefer a mx schedule, but it is what it is.

Scroll down to post #8 in this thread.

Post # 6 is helpful too. It is a quote from the chief engineer on the Ridgeline.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by speedlever
. . . . No, I still don't like the MM as I prefer a mx schedule, . . . .

Why?

[speedlever]

Originally posted by N_Jay
Why?

N_Jay, I believe you and I have had this discussion before. Let's just agree to disagree about the MM.

I thought the Pilot folks would appreciate the MM information in that link from the Ridgeline community. I hadn't see it posted here before, but I may have missed it if so.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by speedlever
Let's just agree to disagree about the MM.

Yes it was good info.

Myths die hard!

[youbetcha]

Originally posted by N_Jay
Why?

N_Jay, I think you're fighting an uphill battle. Some consider the MM a "new-fangled" thing, a new tech they don't trust. Many new and better technologies took years before they became accepted. For a long time, many engineers didn't adopt electronic calculators to replace slide rules, they didn't trust them.

Once the MM is established and everywhere, the old-fashioned ways of doing things will disappear.

[speedlever]

Originally posted by youbetcha


N_Jay, I think you're fighting an uphill battle. Some consider the MM a "new-fangled" thing, a new tech they don't trust. Many new and better technologies took years before they became accepted. For a long time, many engineers didn't adopt electronic calculators to replace slide rules, they didn't trust them.

Once the MM is established and everywhere, the old-fashioned ways of doing things will disappear.

I guess you can lump me in that crowd that doesn't trust the MM. Does any other mfg offer a similar system? I have no idea.

I would like to see Honda provide a service schedule as an option to the MM. That would give those of us who prefer the older system a viable option, especially if you like perform some mx early or if you fall in the severe service area.

How many here knew of the force retrieval procedure? I didn't know that until I read that thread. Force retrieval is not covered in the owners manual, else I somehow missed it.

Anyone who considers their vehicle falls into the severe service maintenance aspect is supposed to change fluids on a different schedule, not per the MM. I believe there are 5 items on the MM list that call for early replacement, not per the MM in severe service usage.

In severe service, how does the MM provide a benefit? How are you to reset the MM and still make it pertinent? I don't know if the force retrieval process covers early replacement like this or not.

I'm open to learning, but I fail to find the benefit of the MM vs a maintenance schedule that's clearly spelled out based on usage. For instance, does anyone do just "A" (change oil but not the filter)? I'd be surprised if they do so.

Not trying to argue, but I am clearly puzzled as to how the MM improves over a schedule event process.

Hey.. I like gadgets! The more the merrier. But this feature leaves me cold. Or maybe I just don't understand how to properly utilize it to accomodate my early oil change ritual.

I would be curious to see how many DIY-ers use the MM vs how many non-DIY-ers use the MM. I'd guess the latter would be a higher percentage than the former. I'd do a poll but don't know how to. Maybe that's covered in MM school.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by speedlever
. . . . . but I fail to find the benefit of the MM vs a maintenance schedule that's clearly spelled out based on usage. For instance, does anyone do just "A" (change oil but not the filter)? I'd be surprised if they do so.

Not trying to argue, but I am clearly puzzled as to how the MM improves over a schedule event process. . . . .

I don't know how using more data (from inside the engine controller) is not a clear improvement over using the data from the odometer and calendar.

Maybe you have built a myth about the precision (and necessity of the precision) of your method.

I would bet you have ZERO data on the worth of your early maintenance procedure, yet you seem to have adopted it as "religion".

Not arguing, juts posting my opinion.

[speedlever]

Originally posted by N_Jay


I don't know how using more data (from inside the engine controller) is not a clear improvement over using the data from the odometer and calendar.

Maybe you have built a myth about the precision (and necessity of the precision) of your method.

I would bet you have ZERO data on the worth of your early maintenance procedure, yet you seem to have adopted it as "religion".

Not arguing, juts posting my opinion.

No problem, N_Jay. No, I don't have any data about that. Shucks, we could always refer back to the infamous taxi-cab test CR did some years ago on the oil change issue.

But I always change the oil filter when I change oil. Don't you? But that's an aside.

Can you explain how severe service is handled by the MM? Does the force retrieval procedure work with that? Did you know about force retrieval before this thread?

Regarding my procedures (scheduled mx), I just prefer it that way. Makes it easier for me to plan mx... as we discussed in an earlier thread.

I did a double reset of the MM one time.. not sure why right now.. but don't know what, if any impact that had on the MM alerts. I'd like to know more about the MM, but I can tell you that my local dealers know less than I do, or at least they don't seem to know much about it.

I have to wonder how effective the MM is for those who take their Honda to a quick-oil-change place. Do they bother to do a force retrieval and let the customer know what else is coming due? I somehow doubt they know much about the MM system and are probably losing the opportunity to sell more services, let alone let the customer know about upcoming mx. Once they reset it, the upcoming alert is gone... or so I understand.