Mobil 1 (or Synthetic engine oil) - Honda Pilot

kingkaoppa · 07-29-2005, 08:50 PM

I use 10W-30 Mobil 1 oil for my Pilot oil change...

However... is it really worth it?

and oil change shop wants me to go with 5W-20...

I didn't ask him why...

is there anyone with good engine oil knowledge?

thanks...

Sportymonk · 07-29-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kingkaoppa
I use 10W-30 Mobil 1 oil for my Pilot oil change...

However... is it really worth it?

and oil change shop wants me to go with 5W-20...

I didn't ask him why...

is there anyone with good engine oil knowledge?

thanks...

I believe IIRC that the manual says to use 5W20 which I have never heard of in a vehicle. I saw some Mobil Synthetic the other day that was 0W20 and was labeled for Hondas.

I have heard that the auto manufacturers have to run in the Corporate Fuel Economy Fuel Average tests (CAFE) what they allow to be used everyday. Hence if they want to use a lightweight oil in the test to get better fuel economy then that is what has to be in the manual.

cwa107 · 07-29-2005, 10:03 PM

I've had several cars (not all Hondas) that required oil of a weight lower than 10W-30. The bottom line here is that Honda engineers, the designers of your engine, specify 5W-20. I'm sure it's partly because it yields better gas mileage, but I'm also fairly confident that the engine was designed and optimized to run on it.

**colorider** · 07-29-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by kingkaoppa

~snip~
is there anyone with good engine oil knowledge?

thanks...

Ha!!!! That question will bring out the BEST!!!

rsm333 · 07-29-2005, 10:39 PM

From 1981 thru 1885 I raced in the Can-AM series. Most of the cars used 5.0 Liter GM engines and a typical good engine made around 520 (dyno) HP @ 8300 rpm. These cars were all mid-engine and the oil temperatures ran really hot. In 1982 I picked up a sponsorship from Red Line Oil. Running Red Line’s synthetic oil in those engines brought oil temps down 30 degrees. Most standard street engines aren’t running that close to the edge, but lowering oil temps has got to help any engine

Sportymonk · 07-30-2005, 07:55 AM

Tried to do a search for Mobil 1 but the search engine won't let you do that since the "1" is too small a character. I think entering Mobil+1 that is to type the word Mobil 1 with a plus sign between it and no spaces will work. (Haven't seen any documentation on it but it seems to work)

Here is one thread
First Oil Change, When?

Take note of the person Bugshu, he seems VERY knowledgeable about oil and stuff.

Royal Purple Motor Oil .....

Different thread
mobile 1 5w-20

For oil Filters try here Which Oil Filter?

(You can see rilley tried to do a search but was kinda overwhelmed with the results. Searches can be that way)

guitarman · 07-30-2005, 10:00 AM

I found Castrol Syntec 5w20 at Wal Mart. It's a full synthetic oil.

jcantanixon · 07-30-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by guitarman
I found Castrol Syntec 5w20 at Wal Mart. It's a full synthetic oil.

Castrol Syntec is not a full synthetic oil. It's a marketing tactic. They don't use PAO as their synthetic base, they use a lower costing base-stock. Do a google search and you'll see tons of articles, most of which mention how Mobil 1 sued Castrol for using the word "synthetic" on the bottle even though Castrol did not use a synthetic base. They lost, and the National Advertising Division of the BBB gave Castrol the right to say "full synthetic" even though it's not.

Synthetic motor oil gets all new semantics.

A definition of PAO for those that are interested.

N_Jay · 07-30-2005, 12:56 PM

For most people, synthetic oil is overkill and not a good value.

If you use your vehicle harder then most AND plan to keep it longer than most, then MAYBE a synthetic oil might be worthwhile. (big maybe).

If you do want to use a synthetic oil, the marginal differences between the specific types of synthetic oil bases is probably even smaller than the difference between conventional and synthetic oils over all.

Whether using a synthetic or a conventional oil, still use an oil that falls within the manufacturers recommendations from a major supplier and you will be safe.

hondacuraplanet · 08-01-2005, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by N_Jay
For most people, synthetic oil is overkill and not a good value.

If you use your vehicle harder then most AND plan to keep it longer than most, then MAYBE a synthetic oil might be worthwhile. (big maybe).

Agreed. I use good ole Pennzoil, even pulling a boat

guitarman · 08-01-2005, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jcantanixon

Castrol Syntec is not a full synthetic oil. It's a marketing tactic. They don't use PAO as their synthetic base, they use a lower costing base-stock. Do a google search and you'll see tons of articles, most of which mention how Mobil 1 sued Castrol for using the word "synthetic" on the bottle even though Castrol did not use a synthetic base. They lost, and the National Advertising Division of the BBB gave Castrol the right to say "full synthetic" even though it's not.

Synthetic motor oil gets all new semantics.

A definition of PAO for those that are interested.

Do you have any references that are more recent? I'm wondering if Castrol reformulated since then. According to their MSDS, the oil is synthetic. Mobil and Amsoil would love for us to think that they are the only true synthetics, whatever that means.

jcantanixon · 08-01-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by guitarman

Do you have any references that are more recent? I'm wondering if Castrol reformulated since then. According to their MSDS, the oil is synthetic. Mobil and Amsoil would love for us to think that they are the only true synthetics, whatever that means.

I can't find anything with a quick look, but if you've got a spare week or two you can go to Bobistheoilguy.com and take a look at the forums over there. More than you'll ever need to know about oil.

The last time I checked Castrol's MSDS, Syntec is composed of "60-90% Synthetic hydrocarbons" and "10-30% Multi-functional additive mixture composed of organo-metallic compounds, typically containing zinc dialkyl dithiophosphate, copolymers, calcium salts of alkylated phenol sulfides, polyolefins, polyolefin amide alkeneamines, and other proprietary ingredients."

So I take that to mean that it's still a Group3/Group4 blend basestock.

Rapid Rob · 08-01-2005, 07:44 PM

Come on, guys. I thought this thread was going to get fun. It could be debated forever. No, MY oil is better......
The 0-20w. recommended by Honda is for the Civic Hybrid & Insight. The rest of the newer Hondas get 5-20w.
FWIW I use Mobil-1, 10/30 in the Pilot. Amsoil M/C in the Ninja.
My best advise is to spend time checking out the link provided above, bobistheoilguy.com.

jay · 08-01-2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Rapid Rob
Come on, guys. I thought this thread was going to get fun.

...snip

It may or may not get fun, but it will get old.

**colorider** · 08-01-2005, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jay
It may or may not get fun, but it will get old.

And oftentimes, emotional!!

07-29-2005, 08:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
kingkaoppa Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: L.A Posts: 9 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mobil 1 (or Synthetic engine oil) I use 10W-30 Mobil 1 oil for my Pilot oil change... However... is it really worth it? and oil change shop wants me to go with 5W-20... I didn't ask him why... is there anyone with good engine oil knowledge? thanks...

07-29-2005, 10:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
cwa107 Super Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Middletown, PA Posts: 2,497 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've had several cars (not all Hondas) that required oil of a weight lower than 10W-30. The bottom line here is that Honda engineers, the designers of your engine, specify 5W-20. I'm sure it's partly because it yields better gas mileage, but I'm also fairly confident that the engine was designed and optimized to run on it. __________________ 2010 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD, Dark Cherry Pearl w/ black leather - equipped with black side steps, WeatherTech Floorliners and USA SPEC iPod Integration 2010 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium - Ruby Red Pearl 2005 Honda Pilot EX 4WD (traded)

07-29-2005, 10:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
rsm333 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Humboldt County, CA Posts: 4 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Synthetic oil benefits From 1981 thru 1885 I raced in the Can-AM series. Most of the cars used 5.0 Liter GM engines and a typical good engine made around 520 (dyno) HP @ 8300 rpm. These cars were all mid-engine and the oil temperatures ran really hot. In 1982 I picked up a sponsorship from Red Line Oil. Running Red Line’s synthetic oil in those engines brought oil temps down 30 degrees. Most standard street engines aren’t running that close to the edge, but lowering oil temps has got to help any engine

07-30-2005, 07:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
Sportymonk Super Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rocky Mount NC Posts: 2,413 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Tried to do a search for Mobil 1 but the search engine won't let you do that since the "1" is too small a character. I think entering Mobil+1 that is to type the word Mobil 1 with a plus sign between it and no spaces will work. (Haven't seen any documentation on it but it seems to work) Here is one thread First Oil Change, When? Take note of the person Bugshu, he seems VERY knowledgeable about oil and stuff. Royal Purple Motor Oil ..... Different thread mobile 1 5w-20 For oil Filters try here Which Oil Filter? (You can see rilley tried to do a search but was kinda overwhelmed with the results. Searches can be that way) __________________ Eagles may soar, but foxes dont get sucked into jet engines. 2005 Steel Blue Metallic EX-L with iPod P.I.E. X3 interface (keeps the cd changer!!), LED lights in doors and overhead, tow package, cargo shield, crossbars (self installed), WWongs stuff, cargo liner, extended warranty. All but the tow pkg at great saving through our sponsor hondacuraworld. 17 - 24 MPG with mileage removed for both the best and the worst atypical mileages. 183,000 miles since June 29, 2005

07-30-2005, 10:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
guitarman Super Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 602 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I found Castrol Syntec 5w20 at Wal Mart. It's a full synthetic oil. __________________ 2003 Nighthawk Black Pearl EXL Built on June 9, 2003 Delivered on June 24, 2003 OEM cargo tray and all weather mats

07-30-2005, 12:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
N_Jay Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, NW Burbs Posts: 13,545 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	For most people, synthetic oil is overkill and not a good value. If you use your vehicle harder then most AND plan to keep it longer than most, then MAYBE a synthetic oil might be worthwhile. (big maybe). If you do want to use a synthetic oil, the marginal differences between the specific types of synthetic oil bases is probably even smaller than the difference between conventional and synthetic oils over all. Whether using a synthetic or a conventional oil, still use an oil that falls within the manufacturers recommendations from a major supplier and you will be safe. __________________ However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Sir Winston Churchill

08-01-2005, 07:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rapid Rob Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 249 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Come on, guys. I thought this thread was going to get fun. It could be debated forever. No, MY oil is better...... The 0-20w. recommended by Honda is for the Civic Hybrid & Insight. The rest of the newer Hondas get 5-20w. FWIW I use Mobil-1, 10/30 in the Pilot. Amsoil M/C in the Ninja. My best advise is to spend time checking out the link provided above, bobistheoilguy.com. __________________ For those that fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. PLEASE READ YOUR OWNERS MANUAL

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