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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-26-2017, 10:30 AM Thread Starter
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2016/17 Pilot AWD QUESTION

Hi everyone. Newbie here. I'm about to pull a trigger on a 2017 Touring AWD Pilot. My question is, does the AWD turns all 4 wheels all the time at any speed? I have heard that other makes label their vehicles as AWD but then above a certain speed, it will disengage the rear wheels and only the fronts are turning. Any facts on this with the pilot?
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The rear wheel does not turn on Pilot. That is only on MDX with SH AWD....
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Are you talking All Wheel Steering (AWS) or All Wheel Drive (AWD)? Hopefully all your wheels rotate when the vehicle is moving, or you're going to be buying a lot of tires

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I believe op meant awd. The Pilot is basically a front wheel drive, only sends power to rear wheels when pick up, senses wheel spins/slips, and when set to the sand, snow modes. That may not be very accurate description of the Pilot's awd system, but you get the idea. Not sure at what speed it will stop being awd.

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2016/17 Pilot AWD QUESTION

Pilot never "stops being AWD", ( assuming you bought one equipped with AWD ), but it will reduce torque delivery to the rear wheels under low-load cruising conditions to improve efficiency. 3rd-gen Pilot's AWD system is mechanically identical to 3rd-gen MDX, although there may be differences in software "tuning". This whole discussion of AWD type can get "spirited" at times, but be careful of marketing hype. Unless you plan to compete in off-road events, Pilot's AWD system is plenty robust and it is designed to enhance on-road performance in a wide range of conditions. It is proactive in delivery of torque to the rear-wheels, including splitting torque left-right, not simply reactive as was claimed. For more detail, there are many articles on the web, and a few tomes on this site, some of them written by myself. 🙄
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Here's a dealer site blog that explains the 3rd gen AWD pretty well:

http://www.oneillhonda.com/blog/what...on-management/

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When I was looking at the Pilot my friend passed along this link which is an EXTREMELY detailed discussion of the various AWD systems in Hondas and Acuras. The bottom line is that the 2016+ Pilot AWD system is identical in design and function as the SH-AWD system Acura is using in the MDX.

This system passes AT LEAST 10% of torque to the rear wheels via a 2.7% "overdrive" discussed here:

"Simply speaking, clutch packs in the new SH-AWD system are responsible for 100% of the workload, with the increased 2.7% overdrive ratio, the wear and overheating issue should be more serious than before. The reason why Acura can still let such system pass at least 10% of the torque during cruising in a straight line is: progress in the material technology make it possible to manufacture clutch plates with excellent anti-wear properties, so although there are lots of friction wear and heating under normal operating conditions, the new SH-AWD component can still maintain good reliability.

For the 2016 and up Honda Pilot, although Honda is marketing its AWD system as “i-VTM4”, it is in fact identical to the latest SH-AWD."

So yes, the AWD system does turn all 4 wheels all of the time, but can do much more than that depending on the situation.

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A two wheeled vehicle is really only a one wheel drive vehicle (and that wheel is the wheel with the least traction) unless it has something like a limited slip differential or advanced electronics.

The Pilot has a fantastic AWD system (as detailed above) that spreads power to the wheels with traction.

Our Pilot really handles snow and ice extremely well.

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...Pilot AWD system is identical in design and function as the SH-AWD system Acura is using in the MDX...
So, if you swapped the AWD badge with a SH-AWD badge from an Acura, will MDX owners look down on you?
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So, if you swapped the AWD badge with a SH-AWD badge from an Acura, will MDX owners look down on you?
I was stopped behind a 2017 MDX yesterday, it looked so small I had to do a double-take to be sure it wasn't an RDX instead.

Speaking of the RDX, it can now be equipped with a V6 engine, IMO is pretty impressive. The current RDX lacks some features it's fully configured $48K price tag should include, but I'm keeping the next gen. release on my list of potential successors to my Pilot.

BTW there is a YouTube video evaluating the AWD feature for the Pilot off-roading up "Gold Mine Hill." The Pilot fares very well, Google it & check it out.
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As other posters have commented, the Pilot has an excellent, highly refined AWD system. Really no need for 4 wheel turning drive system on this vehicle.
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2016/17 Pilot AWD QUESTION

Check out this video starting at Althea 1:30 mark.

Acura MDX vs Lexus RX vs Audi Q7

Climbing a hill with 2 wheels on ice.

https://youtu.be/YidkaqlW9ns
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Two others videos of AWD tests (Intuitive AWD, Real-Time 4WD, On-Demand AWD, Intelligent AWD, Symmetrical AWD, the Quattro, 4-Matic, X-Drive, yada yada drive). How many of those out there are just useless piece of ****, you know.
https://youtu.be/KqzTsuPiTVA
https://youtu.be/kRniF4JQN2U
It would be interesting to see the 3rd-gen Pilot AWD put into test, especially in real live critical conditions like these: https://youtu.be/J69XCDUlDDA

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Speaking of the RDX, it can now be equipped with a V6 engine, IMO is pretty impressive. The current RDX lacks some features it's fully configured $48K price tag should include, but I'm keeping the next gen. release on my list of potential successors to my Pilot.
$48K for an RDX? With 24 karat gold lug nuts?

US market RDX has had 3.5L V6 since 2013, replacing turbo I-4 from previous gen. For 2016 it got a tiny bump in horsepower from 273 to 279. Not direct-injection, AFAIK. But it lost torque-vectoring SH-AWD in 2013. Quite a bit smaller than MDX or Pilot, more like Audi Q5 or BMW X3. Interior is not quite as nice as MDX, and Acura is just as stubborn about that silly "joystick" infotainment knob as they are in MDX. On the other hand, the Honda 6-speed trans has a real honest-to-gosh shift lever. Dunno when the next redesign will happen.

BTW, MDX drivers don't look down at Pilot drivers. Pilot is taller.
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To save a few $ the next gen. RDX is on my list, but if truth be told I'm more interested in going luxury class w/something like an F-Pace, SQ5, X6 or perhaps an MDX. Not ruling out any LUX. Crossover equipped w/a V6/i6.

However, getting Mrs. optivity on-board with the amount of $ expended to obtain one of those vehicles is another matter.
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